Leather edge guard (for adze)?

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Re: Leather edge guard (for adze)?

Postby ToneWood » Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:35 pm

Another possible material: old wellies. I have an old pair in the garage - they've been excellent but are now worn out, torn and punctured but I had a nagging feeling that I might yet find a use for the material, which is quite thick and tough.
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Re: Leather edge guard (for adze)?

Postby Mikkel Frederiksen » Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:07 am

ToneWood wrote:BTW I ready one article on sewing thick leather and the guy used a fine drill bit to drill every stitch hole.


I would recommend using an awl rather than drilling the holes. Holes made with an awl just push the fibres of the leather apart, and therefore it allows the fibers to close up again. That will make your seam much tighter.
Using an awl is not that hard. Especially if you put a bit of bees wax on the awl, before you stab it through the leather... And like all other tools, it needs to be sharp :-).
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Re: Leather edge guard (for adze)?

Postby Simon Hartley » Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:49 pm

If you're anywhere near Bristol, the fabric stall at St Nicholas market sells offcuts of leather roughly 30x40cm for £5 each. All I need now are some rivets; all I could get were press-studs.
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Re: Leather edge guard (for adze)?

Postby ToneWood » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:14 pm

Thanks Mikkel, sounds like good advice - I'll use an awl. And save the drill for rivets/Chicago screws.
Thanks Simon, I rarely get into Bristol but will look out for it if I do visit.

Having sharpened and then honed my father's draw knife recently, I thought I would try the "old wellie" idea mentioned above. It's quite awkward to work with (stiff rubber lined with neoprene) but while not exactly pretty, combined with bailer-twine (rustic or what!), it does the job until I find a better solution:
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Re: Leather edge guard (for adze)?

Postby ToneWood » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:40 pm

Just starting to think about what I might need: (a) to learn and (b) to purchase in order to make my adze & axe covers. Hopefully will be able to get some good saddle leather from Gavin. But will need a few more items. The following are some things I have gleaned from others posts - please feel free to correct or suggest alternatives or priorities:

Essentials:
- strong cord. Somebody mentioned their father would wind his own from several strands of ... regular cotton I thinkl(?). Beeswax is often mentioned too.
- 2 strong leather needles and/or an awl

Have seen simple, inexpensive kits of thread & needles for sale on eBay, e.g.: http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from= ... Categories
Also came across this seller of various leather supplies (says Japan): http://stores.ebay.co.uk/GoodsJapan-jp? ... 4340.l2563
Also, Gavin already identified a supplier of leather craft supplies in the UK above.

Some possible alternatives:
- small drill/drill bits (Dremel?)
- correct size/length leather rivets
- Speedy Stitcher Awl kit or Tandy/generic equivalent or perhaps "Yacht Sail Sewing Palm Tool Kit Including Needles & Thread"(needles say "made in England").

Nice to haves(?)/extras
- leather vice (Gavin just posted a thread on making one of these)
- "marking" wheel to measure out even stitch spaces / "pricking iron" (came across a large one designed for lacing leather, rather than stitching - another option perhaps)
- some kind of leather plane to thin the leather at the joins?
- hole punch of some kind

Video from Tandy Leather Supplies in the USA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAY6iBKteUY
Came across this interesting article by a fellow in the USA who makes his own holsters - including moulding the leather: http://www.jdlawhon.com/tutorial.html
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Re: Leather edge guard (for adze)?

Postby Ian S » Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:13 pm

Or you could read the Le Prevo website that Gavin linked to.

Their 'how to' section has a page on sewing leather, and a page on knife sheath making.
How sharp is sharp enough?
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Re: Leather edge guard (for adze)?

Postby gavin » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:05 pm

It is far easier to rivet leather together than to sew it. I'd be sure to get rivets long enough to pass through the leather you'll work. If you use a welt or 3rd layer, you'll probably want rivets 6 mm long to fix 3 layers of 2 mm thick. Le Prevo site has some very limited instructions on riveting. For hand-sewing, I recommend Al Stohlman's The Art of Handsewing

For riveting you'll need:
    hole punch or star wheel
    rivet driver and rivet anvil
    any light hammer

If you wish to use spring clips ( and they are really handy to close leather work quickly) you'll need a different rivet driver.

I'd suggest a starter kit should use rivets only and not sewing because sewing takes longer to teach yourself and you really need better tutorials than I have come across for free, or you have to buy Al Stohlman's excellent book. It's probably helpful to have the rivets in ( two? )different lengths to accomodate different leather thicknesses - say 4 mm (for say 2 @ 2mm ) and 7 mm leather thickness (for say 3 @ 2 mm)
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Re: Leather edge guard (for adze)?

Postby gavin » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:08 am

If you want a bit more than 3 kilos of the leather I just did a group buy on, refer this post - £17 delivered inland UK.
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Re: Leather edge guard (for adze)?

Postby Bob_Fleet » Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:15 pm

When Hewit's were in Edinburgh I bought a whole pigskin for under a tenner and a sheepskin - similar and a bit thinner, not a woolly rug, for £6
Now they have moved to Livingston I don't know if they still do tanned hides or just the posh stuff.
Either way I've got a few great working aprons.
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Re: Leather edge guard (for adze)?

Postby ToneWood » Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:31 pm

Somebody already came up with a cheaper & simpler draw-knife guard than the wellie & bailer-twine one above, vinyl hose:
http://www.etsy.com/listing/81760198/an ... inch-blade
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Re: Leather edge guard (for adze)?

Postby emjay » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:48 pm

The black plastic conduit used by electricians makes a wonderful guard for a drawknife. Just cut to length and sawcut along the length. It grips tight like a spring clip on the blade. I've tried blue water pipe, but this conduit is better.
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Re: Leather edge guard (for adze)?

Postby jrccaim » Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:04 am

Guards are wonderful. But so is simply hanging the thing up when you are not using it. I find I am always losing guards. So I have a bunch of magnets, found I do not remember where. I epoxied them to a cabinet. I simply stick the drawknife on to the magnets. Lee Valley sells a sampler of rare-earth magnets which would secure an elephant, if only elephants were magnetic. Then I do not spend valuable time searching for the guard. And I think there ought to be a law that says that all guards should be international orange in color. That makes them much easier to spot. Barring such a decree, paint your guards a bright color. If they are leather I do not (shudder) advise painting them. But maybe tie a bright ribbon to them, making them easy to find in a pile of chips.
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Re: Leather edge guard (for adze)?

Postby ToneWood » Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:31 pm

Yes, loosing/misplacing edge protectors is a real pain, so brightly tagging them somehow strikes me as a v. good idea.

I have a couple of those strong magnet strips but I don't really trust them with sharp tools (although I have a couple of gnarly old chisels hanging on one currently) - and when you grab one others will often fall off.

I quite like the idea of beech bark sheaths & guards - but perhaps a bit too stiff for an adze. Image
I finally found a couple of good links on making sheaths:
This one shows the basic idea: http://pinewoodforge.com/sheath.making.html
This shows detail on the alternate wrapping: http://paddlemaking.blogspot.co.uk/2009 ... heath.html

Also found this video on making an axe guard although, somewhat disappointingly, it is sewn like leather rather than just folded, as the sheaths are (and I wonder if it would be tough enough for a razor sharp Gransfors/carving axes): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUJ0TogshV0
I might try combining the 2 ideas: upscaling/adapting the folded sheath design to axe size. -- Of course, a more camouflage protector would be hard to conceive :D

Anyone know how the "basket weave" sheaths are made?
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Re: Leather edge guard (for adze)?

Postby ToneWood » Sat May 19, 2012 12:01 pm

I have now made a rather rough, crude birch bark guard for my father's old hatchet (should have v. carefully gathered live birch bark early Spring, rather than dead bark though).

I also tried making 2 birch-bark-style sheaths, each from a large plastic milk bottle & a brass split-pin:
* One works ok as a supplementary shealth for the Lidl's axe, which already has a rubber edge guard - which I don't entirely trust.
*The other was for my cup adze; I tried thermo-forming (i.e. shaping with hot water) that with moderate success. However, to my surprise, the adze cut straight through it when I went to put it away - plastic is no match for Hans Karlsson sharpness it seems.
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Re: Leather edge guard (for adze)?

Postby ToneWood » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:39 pm

I have finally come up with a cheap, effective adze guard/system which I am quite pleased with:
The plastic cap off a spray can! It fits the 5cm radius curved blade of the HK cup adze well. I melted 2 holes in the cap and added 2 strings to secure the cap in place. I then store the whole adze in a small, tough, jute/hessian "goodie bag" (like a mini adze-sized shopping bag) - that protects the entire adze, including the handle. The whole lot then goes into a close-fitting section of the plastic tool caddy that holds my carving tools. Pretty good. :)
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