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New Low Bench ideas

Postby poomwood » Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:02 pm

Hi All.
I am on building a new Low Bench, as in Mike Abbotts first book. Chapter 12.
The bench its self is 53" x 14" x 2" Whitebeam (Sorbus Aria) and stands 21" high
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I have a Record 52 1/2 vice that I'm considering nailing on one end of it. I'm sure I've seen this done but can't think where.
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My dilemma is this; The vice is 3 1/2" high from the base to the top of the jaw and the bench is 2" thick, so would protrude 1 1/2" above the height of the bench.
If I attached a piece if wood the back it would double up as a bench stop.
Or I could pack underneath to bring the top of vice flush with the top of the bench.
I can't work out what would be more useful. Any opinions gratefully accepted.

At least I now have somewhere comfortable to sit while I think about it.

Tim
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Re: New Low Bench ideas

Postby woodness sake » Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:27 pm

Looks like too much vice for the mass of the bench, but why not make it so you can mount it both ways, using wing nuts to fasten it to the bench.
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Re: New Low Bench ideas

Postby poomwood » Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:52 pm

Thanks Woodness Sake
If I make a packing piece to bring the vice level then I don't need to make a decision. I can use it with or without.
I am left wondering why I couldn't work that out myself though.
And equally, if the vice does prove too much for the bench (it is very heavy) I can just take it off.
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Re: New Low Bench ideas

Postby poomwood » Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:09 pm

Here's the spacer
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The vice is now attached
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I was wondering about colouring in the eyes. It kind of looks like a dog.

View from the pilots seat
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Next up will be to drill the holes for the bench dogs and make the bench dogs I guess.
I've got some 3/4" American White Oak floor boards I could chop up to make dogs etc. I'm guessing they will be OK.
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Re: New Low Bench ideas

Postby poomwood » Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:06 pm

This is getting there.
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Still need to make more dogs and some wedges.
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Re: New Low Bench ideas

Postby Shankar » Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:29 pm

Nice bench- like the bow legs- very stable. I've just made a workbench with a vice like yours. Using it to hold bowl blank. Ive replaced the outer piece of wood on the vice with a piece that has about 1.5 inches (2 inches wide) sticking up above the jaws. Works well with dogs to hold ends steady. Not sure how to hold when turned over to final finish the inside. Possibly sandbags and strap.
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Re: New Low Bench ideas

Postby poomwood » Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:05 pm

Hi Shankar
Any chance you could post a picture of the bench? I like the idea of the raised piece on the vice. It would then work the same as putting dogs into the vice of a carpenters bench. Nice one!
As for holding the bowl once the back has been carved. This is where 'Hold Downs' or 'Hold Fasts' come into play I believe. Though I am not best qualified to answer this as I've only made a couple of bowls.
I might be tempted to try more now I have the bench.

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Re: New Low Bench ideas

Postby Bob_Fleet » Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:20 pm

It doesn't need to be a bench either.
I was thinking of doing something similar with my Shaving horse but probably make a wooden vice.
Haven't made the screw thread yet but the idea is the same.
Something in the back of my mind makes me think I saw a picture of one on the forum.
Old age and sloth seem to have stopped me finding it though.
Nice bench.
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Re: New Low Bench ideas

Postby poomwood » Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:44 am

Hi Bob. Nice to hear from you. I think my old username here was Lanchester01. I came up with my family a couple of times to your fantastic Green Woodworking weekend at Wooplaw and we made a pole lathe with 'nice legs'.
Sorry for the delay in replying. I am very interested in wooden screws but the tooling looks quite involved. Have you had any success in making the dies.
I'm only asking as I came across a 'quantity' of Whitebeam and from what I can make out it is similar to Hornbeam in it's properties. i.e. it is rock hard, making it very suitable for tooling, screws and cogs.
If I could work out the tooling I think we could make some cracking vices and clamps
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Re: New Low Bench ideas

Postby gavin » Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:28 am

poomwood wrote:Sorry for the delay in replying. I am very interested in wooden screws but the tooling looks quite involved. Have you had any success in making the dies.
I'm only asking as I came across a 'quantity' of Whitebeam and from what I can make out it is similar to Hornbeam in it's properties. i.e. it is rock hard, making it very suitable for tooling, screws and cogs.
If I could work out the tooling I think we could make some cracking vices and clamps

I googled 'wood tap and die uk' and saw inter alia this : http://www.toolpost.co.uk/pages/Chucks_ ... SpindleTap
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If they do taps they must do dies too.
Axminster did sell them and I could not find them instantly on their website.
I am curious myself about these and don't own any. So will be interested in your results - pls post pix!
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Re: New Low Bench ideas

Postby Robin Fawcett » Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:27 am

Here's the link to the Dovetail Vice... http://www.slojdeniskogen.se/slojden/sfs/hugg-ett-trag/7/
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Re: New Low Bench ideas

Postby Bob_Fleet » Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:05 am

Hi Tim.
Great hearing from you.
Pics of that weekend on Wooplaw site and also your European tapered dovetail joint on the lathe legs. Nobody else has managed one here yet so you're still famous.

Here's the beastie you want
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and the LINK

I've got the 1" and the 3/4"
1" great for stool legs and big mallet handles.
3/4 is the size of thread on old drawers. The front of the drawer has a tapped hole and the handle has a thread on the back and just screws in.
Someone wanted some replacements made so the cash paid for the tool - suited me just fine.

I was thinking of using a 1" threaded rod with a handle on the end and two large dowels as guides to make a type of vice.
However, a drillled block of wood with two threads might do the job but be fiddlier to tighten each time.
4 wooden bolts and the relevant boards make a great flower press, off topic but a quick win and it shows off the threads.

Making wooden 'nuts' to thread on the ends of the centre spindle on a shave horse looks good too.
Maybe make a large wooden spanner to fit too.

Remember that the 'rod' wants to be dry and the socket green if you want the joint to tighten and not slacken.

Looking forward to seeing pics of wooden vices on the end of shaving horses and benches now. No prizes but go for it.
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Re: New Low Bench ideas

Postby poomwood » Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:59 am

I like the look of the dovetail vice. Another project I am working on is a David Fisher type Bowl Horse and I've been wondering how to attach the removable stop nearest the pilots seat. A dovetail block would be great.

Nice looking thread making kit Bob.
A very talented young guy on youtube has an excellent series on making screw boxes but it looks pretty involved
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C4p8aT7CDs

What does the stock need to be like for the rods prior to tapping them?
i.e. Does it need to be an accurately turned dowel or could it be made on a shave horse?
I have some Veritas Dowel Cutters but they only go up to 1/2". The size of the smallest thread cutter.
I guess larger dowels can be turned on the pole lathe.
As for wooden spanners, I think it's time I went to the workshop :D
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Re: New Low Bench ideas

Postby Bob_Fleet » Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:51 pm

poomwood wrote:Does it need to be an accurately turned dowel or could it be made on a shave horse?
Probably best turned or right size dowel cutter. (Loads of threads on making your own.)
The thread cutter is only a V shaved blade so the bottom of each thread would be good but the top would be the shape of the original dowel.

Dovetail vice looks good and versatile.
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Re: New Low Bench ideas

Postby RichardLaw » Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:41 pm

Is it just me, or isn't a bench 21" high going to cause a lot of back ache? Maybe it's for a special purpose?
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