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billhook sheath suggestion please

Postby gavin » Sun Aug 07, 2011 2:13 pm

I have leather, needles, rivets. But before I use up quite a bit of leather, I'd like to see others sheaths for billhooks to suit this model:
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- or do I make just a rectangular pocket with a belt loop?
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Re: billhook sheath suggestion please

Postby Don Wagstaff » Sun Aug 07, 2011 2:37 pm

Hello,

There are some standard versions that can give you an impression of leather sheaths in The Leonhard Mueller & Sons catalogue. Production stuff for sure which can no doubt be improved on by handy craftspersons.

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Re: billhook sheath suggestion please

Postby gavin » Sun Aug 07, 2011 10:47 pm

Don Wagstaff wrote:Hello,

There are some standard versions that can give you an impression of leather sheaths in The Leonhard Mueller & Sons catalogue. Production stuff for sure which can no doubt be improved on by handy craftspersons.

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I did a search through their catalog : http://www.mueller-hammerwerk.at/hammer ... rsicht.pdf and sadly see no reference for billhook - could you perhaps indicate a page number in the catalog with billhook sheaths? or perhaps I look in the wrong catalog? What is German or French for billhook?
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Re: billhook sheath suggestion please

Postby rogerspianocat » Sun Aug 07, 2011 11:15 pm

Search the catalogue for brush hook. Not brilliant pic (though I'm looking on my phone), but looks like a sheath that would work.
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Re: billhook sheath suggestion please

Postby gavin » Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:21 am

rogerspianocat wrote:Search the catalogue for brush hook. Not brilliant pic (though I'm looking on my phone), but looks like a sheath that would work.

Thanks for that folks... I missed that:
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I'll now make one very like this!
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Re: billhook sheath suggestion please

Postby Don Wagstaff » Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:23 am

Yes, I was just going to write page 30.
Hope to see your version when you have it done.
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Re: billhook sheath suggestion please

Postby chickendave » Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:58 pm

hello,

these are some of mine, made with 3mm veg tanned leather rubbed with beeswax and neatsfoot oil

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Re: billhook sheath suggestion please

Postby 81stBRAT » Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:42 pm

Simple handbill cover, two pieces of wood, shaped spacer in between
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Tied up with a piece of cord keeps blade safe in tool box
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Re: billhook sheath suggestion please

Postby Billman » Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:47 pm

gavin wrote: What is German or French for billhook?


German uses several word for billhook, depending upon the region - common is haumesser, hippe (various spellings), hackemesser (although more often used for a meat cleaver), rebmesser (pruning hook), gartenmesser - in Austria praxe or braxe is more common, and in German speaking Switzerland they use gertel.

France uses serpe and serpette (little serpe or pruning hook) - but various dialect words still in common usage e.g. poudo, goyarde, gouet (more can be found on the French page of my website, http://www.billhooks.co.uk)
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Re: billhook sheath suggestion please

Postby steve tomlin » Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:31 pm

I made a rectangular pocket. I cut the leather to a sort of 'L' shape and folded the wide bit at the bottom over the billhook from the back of the blade and glued/ riveted the other sides with a leather spacer. Used a piece longer than the full billhook length so I could fold over the top as a belt loop. Sorry, no photo.

This way I can carry the tool safely on my belt and not lose the sheath when I'm working.
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Re: billhook sheath suggestion please

Postby jrccaim » Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:10 am

Very good thread. First let me thank billman for enriching my German, not to mention French, vocabulary. Never knew the German for billhook! This said I have made a number of sheaths (or is that sheathes?) for a number of tools. Materials range from wood to nylon. But there are a few things in common. The main one is to cook up a sheath design. Sit down at a table and make a paper pattern. Fasten it together with tape or glue. Then try it out. It is oh, ever so much cheaper (in terms of your labour, which is money) to debug on paper. Does it feel right? Remember, you're the user. My ideas may not suit you. The prime object is to protect the edge. The second object is convenience. If your paper design doesen't work, why make another one. Paper is cheap. I find butcher paper the best and any old tape will do the job. Ideally I will take the paper out in the field and test it. Hah! :oops: Ok, having arrived at the optimum shape, choose your material, put the paper pattern on it, allow a bit (2-3mm) for the sewing allowance, cut it out, and sew it up. If you choose leather may I really recommend a leather-stiching awl like this one: http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=50700&cat=1,43456,50700..I have never regretted the twelve bucks I spent on this baby. I have made sheaths, fixed shoes, salvaged gloves and a whole lot more with it.

Now if you really go into this wholesale there are harness-sticher's sewing machines. They are all 1870 vintage and treadle-operated. Rather hard to find but you never know in the UK. Might be one lurking somewhere for five quid. A sailmaker's sewing machine would probably do the job. I say probably because I have not tried it. But they are really powerful. And much easier to find. If you do not plan to make a lot of sheaths why ignore this paragraph. But leather is like wood. Very addictive.
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Re: billhook sheath suggestion please

Postby RichardLaw » Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:19 am

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Interesting catalogue!from Leonhard Mueller & Sons

The item at the bottom of page 31 looks like a stock knife, does anyone have any more info on this?
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Re: billhook sheath suggestion please

Postby Billman » Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:01 pm

This type of cutter is common throughout most of Europe - sizes and shapes vary, as do uses - small light ones used as bread cutters (coupe pain in France) - very small ones used as tobacco cutters (coupe tabac), larger ones used for splitting kindling wood and long ones used as chaff cutters for cutting hay or barley straw for animal fodder...

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Re: billhook sheath suggestion please

Postby Billman » Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:11 pm

In their old catalogue Muller used to offer a version with a hook and eye (Haken und Ösenl)... (Hooks and eyes)
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Re: billhook sheath suggestion please

Postby Billman » Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:33 pm

Grammel is a hard word to track down - so far I have found it to be a type of pork crackling or rendered pork fat spread onto rye bread, a snack called grammelschmaltz in Austria (Muller are an Austrian firm, so I guess they use words not found in the nornal German vocabulary..) - sorry to digress from the sheath query - I'll attach a couple of images from my archives to make up....
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