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Re: clog-maker's axe

Postby witt » Wed May 16, 2012 12:10 pm

C'est une "hache à bûcher" pour les connaisseurs, otherwise sold under the name "hache de sabotier" ou "doloire de sabotier".

By the way, I have a large coopers adze (near 3 kg) to sell.
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Re: clog-maker's axe

Postby trollwumple » Wed May 16, 2012 10:38 pm

Hi Witt,

I am looking for a doloire de charpentier, in good condition, "not to expensive", here is a link to what I am searching for http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doloire

I would prefer le Doloire de droite, "picture top right", if you come across anything like this please let me know.

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Re: clog-maker's axe

Postby bulldawg_65 » Wed May 16, 2012 11:47 pm

Merci vous deux... J'ai essayer d'utiliser les terms comme vous m'avez donner mais je ne retrouve rien. Alors j'essaiera encore une fois demain.

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Re: clog-maker's axe

Postby witt » Wed May 16, 2012 11:56 pm

I can find all kind of nice stuff. I was dealing mainly axes, chisels and hand-planes before.
i don't charge people here, on the forum, I just see that the money spent comes back approximatly and I like when those brillant tools get back to work and when a woodworker has found a rare piece he can cherish.
I agree with the old greek philosophers, in that the merchant's purpose can't be the pursuit of making money.

I know a man called Boucard, and others, famous in the world of antic tools. I will see what I can do for you and bulldawg-65. just don't be in a hurry.
"La doloire de droite" just means it's a right-handed side axe.
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Re: clog-maker's axe

Postby bulldawg_65 » Thu May 17, 2012 3:41 am

Thanks Witt, I'll be patient! 8)
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Re: clog-maker's axe

Postby witt » Thu May 17, 2012 9:30 am

If you car small items, why not starting with a traditional finnish hatchet ? The steel is very very good (laminated) and I have one for you for not much.
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Re: clog-maker's axe

Postby bulldawg_65 » Thu May 17, 2012 4:13 pm

Could you post a picture? And what are you asking for it? I have a few axes, including a GB carver, a very small and light Kent pattern (3.5- 4 inch blade) and a couple of American broad axes. One of which still needs a handle. I have a splitting maul and a small german made splitting hatchet. The only one besides the splitting tools that I seem to be accurate with is the kent. I am terrible with the GB. I could probably take a lesson or two on how to use it. Maybe I can get some one to show me at the spoon festival I am going to in a couple of weeks.

Also my interest in the French Axe has more to do indulging my French heritage than with the idea of using it, although I certainly would use it!
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Re: clog-maker's axe

Postby witt » Thu May 17, 2012 5:21 pm

Well it really depends on what you shall do with the axe you want.
For me I like to use a bit of everything to carv with because I train new connections in the brain instead of specialising the nervs system too narrowly. I can even carv with a 30 cm long side axe if it's closer to me than the rest. Of course it depends on wether I carve a peg or a bench or a hand-plane.
The GB axe, I had it for some months more than ten years ago, it was too light for the work I used to do, tackling big pieces of hardwood. For that a french clogmaker's was much more efficient. See :
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But really it really depends on your sensations, your anatomy, the strength in the forarm, the resistance ...all that is very individual. For me the best I did was to test as many axes as possible. Nothing is as decisiv as the tribunal of experience.
The finnish axe I will take 25 euros + postage (they are not much used, almost new), I have of different weights. But you must think first about what type of axe would be more efficient for you.
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Re: clog-maker's axe

Postby bulldawg_65 » Fri May 18, 2012 3:07 am

You know Witt, I'm really not sure. I've been trying out axe after axe. Up until I started carving the only time I ever used an axe or hatchet was to cut down trees and split firewood. So I'm trying one after the other until I find one that feels right. Up until now I've been liking the GB and the Kent depending on what I am carving. The price of the finnish axe sounds good. Could you post a picture? Also if you have one a little bit lighter than the GB that would be great.

By the way the forearms on that sabatier are ropy! I have quite a bit of forearm strength but right now my axe action is not that accurate and I spend a whole lot of time chopping so I tire and then my axe action is even more sloppy. Maybe that is why I like the light kent so much.
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Re: clog-maker's axe

Postby woodchubber » Fri May 18, 2012 8:45 am

Hi Witt, I don't suppose you have anything in a similar pattern to a GB carving axe only heavier do you? I would be interested if you have. Cheers John
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Re: clog-maker's axe

Postby witt » Fri May 18, 2012 10:39 am

Finnish axes ; what I have for you is what you see as the final object on this chain of stages of the fabrication
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This is "Kelloski's" museum, I have one of those but I have also two "Bilnäs" which are almost identical. I have old swedish hand axes from the 18th century within the same category of conception wich gane my preference.

To woochubber
What you describe is what I'm working on just now... Creating this type of axe head (with the help of Bernard the Blacksmith) in a stylish design.
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Re: clog-maker's axe

Postby witt » Fri May 18, 2012 10:40 am

which gain (sorry)
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Re: clog-maker's axe

Postby woodchubber » Fri May 18, 2012 1:35 pm

Excellent, looks just the ticket. Keep us posted it looks just what I'm after. All the best, John
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Re: clog-maker's axe

Postby bulldawg_65 » Fri May 18, 2012 2:25 pm

Tell you what Witt,

I'll get with you at the beginning of June about the axe. I am very interested and That may just be the ticket! :D
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Re: clog-maker's axe

Postby witt » Fri May 18, 2012 3:22 pm

Wait...What I have to say is that I was planning to design an axe for myself. Bernard is a friend so he is willing to do the metal work for me but I don't know if he is ready to produce several axes. Also, the axe would be expensive because it means hours of smithing. And it takes months before he's free to work with me, he's enourmously busy.
Anyway, I have been drawing 3 models, 2 are declined from the old pattern of Swedish hand-axes, the third is declined from the French tradition. Each one in a different variety of weight.
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